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NOAA??? Ever heard of 'em??? Who Are They? What Do They Do?

Sun Aug 22, 2010 3:35 PM EDT
us-news, congress, justice, bp, noaa, commerce, nmfs, pew, edf, lubchenco, nefmc, engo, deepwhor, corpo-enviro
By bore-head007

Try not to say anything that will derail our AGENDA,eh? Dr.Kubchenco, and Ms. Kurkal.

EDF investment advisor

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The road less traveled , is a strange one when you take it for the first time, if NOAA is a new topic in your world. The recent handling of the ecological assault by BP on the aquatic life from the microscopic , to the largest and most prized fish like Giant (Big Eye)Bluefin Tuna, and a large populations of Marine Mammals, excluding the Walrus, of course, is full of scandal. A few species of sea turtles lay their eggs in the once elegantly white beach sands of our beaches, and you know, I don't know of one person that does not care about our turtles, not one.Notice I say OUR. Because they are. YOURS, and mine. The property owners are every last citizen in this great country, that our fore fathers built, and passed along.

There certainly have been a lot of revelations, concerning the behavior of NOAA and for those that have never taken this fork in the road, I will try my very best to be your guide along a very, at times, confusing , but at times, fascinating road, that in the end, should lead you, to a place of knowledge, that is important to every American, to understand. Why? Because as people have learned of the plight of those affected in the Gulf region, from the oil worker to fisherman, alike, and the others in those community's, that depend on our natural resources, that we own, no one seems to be doing what you would think they should be doing. We pay people good money, and provide good benefits to those that are keeping an eye out for our best interests, and the general public is expecting nothing less. We are not getting our moneys worth. The end of the road, could be a cliff, unless the barriers go up.

Admiral Allen seems to carry the message, for the BP corporate Big Pigs , never delivering the same information that is ever consistent. It is at times quite erratic, so its obvious, BP is pulling his strings, and one name he brings up is Jane Lubchenco, Ph.D, Director, of NOAA. Ms. Lubchenco was last seen discussing the oil chart with the colored wedges, at a news conference that gave the thumbs up to the, gettin' back to business, cause the Wicked Witch is dead routine. Certainly Dr. Lubchenco, the nations leading Marine Scientist is credible! I will attest to one thing about the director. She really likes those pie charts. And so do, so many others. They always have them at every intersection that we encounter on this journey! if you pound hard enough at the links that are must reads as owners of our fish, and our land, that is leased by our government,to generate our fuel, jobs, and food. Thankfuly, we lost no Walrus, as NOAA had fallen asleep at the wheel.This is where you meet the Jane Lubchenco I am familiar with.

You need a little background about the free agents that harvest OUR seafood for us, as most of us don't have the access , for geographical reasons , or we don't have a trawler capable of fishing in February on Georeges Bank, to gather our Cod, and other seafood protein. There for we have what I call agents. The fishermen are our agents and Jane Lubchenco, has set up a system to actually remove a significant number of small family, multi generational, fishing operations for absolutely no reason. All of the indicators say that the fish stocks are at 90% rebuilt. Why the rush to implement Catch Shares? What the Hell are Catch Shares, and who is in favor of this scheme? Who wins, and who loses, in the quest to gather our seafood? I found this five part series of audio reports by WGBH, that will explain everything from over a thirty year period of the industry, and regulators. There are a few minor flaws in the reports, but nothing outrageously inaccurate. One issue of note, EDF is a financial contributor to NPR. (jes sayin)!

There are many reasons for concern as to the behavior of NOAA, and the twisting of facts, the aloof attitudes, and the secrecy surrounding the fishing industry, and now, the exposure of Jane Lubchencos NOAA, as an oil friendly participant in the Gulf, and now the exposure of the EDF crusade to eliminate small family businesses, that provide livings for those that catch our fish for us. They receive a percentage of the retail price of our fish, the reward for laying everything on the line, to do what most of us cannot do for ourselves. These are regular people like you and I, not bureaucrats feeding at the public trough, and certainly not investment savvy corpo/enviro professionals, that are removing them in the rush to deliver your fish to Wall St. traders.

The actions of our government agency's working in the Gulf, are appearing to be suspect, and when you consider the evidence that I have provided in this lay mans article, there is mounting evidence that a complete overhaul of NOAA, and the firing of Jane Lubchenco is fair compensation to our embattled fishing agents and possibly the removal of Gary Locke, US Commerce, will be necessary, as he has been less than concerned. Both of these individuals are named in a lawsuitbrought forth by a large delegation of industry representatives, city's, and bi partisan politicians. The evidence presented in this article is immense, and it should alarm every one of us. The behavior of Dr. Lubchenco may be new to my new found friends here on the vine, but I have many friends, that have felt the wrath of her for a very long time.

Please help us to erect a barrier in front of the cliff at the end of this new road, that the unfamiliar are just seeing for the first time. bore-head007

Some important links:http://www.fishnet-usa.com/

Where it all began:http://www.lib.noaa.gov/noaainfo/heritage/stratton/contents.html

Where its going:http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=31564

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bore-head007

There is a lot of information to digest. I know it can be confusing but if you like your government lieing to you, this should make you very happy!

  • 11 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Aug 22, 2010 4:02 PM EDT
Larry Crehore

Now if you can just get the public to read and understand and that's a big if. Well written bore-head!!

  • 11 votes
#1.1 - Sun Aug 22, 2010 4:14 PM EDT
bore-head007

Thank you Larry. The most important point that I tried to make was who owns what, and who really works for us. Our agents to our fish. Commercial fishermen.

  • 7 votes
#1.2 - Sun Aug 22, 2010 4:17 PM EDT
Larry Crehore

And as you have pointed out in past posts they are our fish not something to be privatized.

  • 7 votes
#1.3 - Sun Aug 22, 2010 4:21 PM EDT
nyghtshayde

I stopped by to link and vote.I will check out the links throughout,when I get a chance.I already support Jane and Steve being removed from their positions based on the Gulf and their continued involvement in the cover-ups and lies.I am familiar to a point with NOAA associations with private fishermen and their efforts to minimise them for the benefit of coporate entities.Seems to be the way of most government agencies in these times.

We need practical and commonsense changes throughout government.

  • 8 votes
#1.4 - Sun Aug 22, 2010 8:12 PM EDT
bore-head007

Thank you nyghtshayde, for posting the article that you do, because the people must realize who is not looking out for our best interests, or our wild life in the Gulf, or anywhere else, for that matter.

  • 6 votes
#1.5 - Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:42 AM EDT
euterpe-1641499

Excellent, insightful article, bore-head. Thanks for linking it to nyghtshayde's article. Yes, I am aware of the NOAA. And no, I wasn't aware of Lubchenco's ties to the oil industry. It seems that it is in everybody's interest, but that of the general public's, to allow the oil industry to keep on keeping on! What is even sadder is that we, the general public, are allowing it to happen.

Thanks for shining a light on this issue.

  • 5 votes
#1.6 - Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:48 PM EDT
Mrs D-1475814

I know you have been talking about this for sometime now. I will take sometime soon to read your attached links. You brought this to our attention and I thank you. (((((BH)))))

  • 5 votes
#1.7 - Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:17 PM EDT
bore-head007

euterpe, Thanks for taking you valuable time to read this stuff. Its been confusing to put together, and explaining it is even more complicated. The issues are so varied, and complex. The fishery issues are interesting the NMFS law enforcement issue is no less than scandleous. A true kangeroo court, with no recourse.

Mrs D. Just knowing you are in my corner to bring justice, is keeping me in the fight. After a year of trying, it is paying off thaks to the great nucleus of viners that will not give these schmucks an easy pass. I am so thankful.

  • 5 votes
#1.8 - Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:27 PM EDT
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mtherof3

Thanks bore-head. Great article, easy to read. You broke it down for us who are out of the loop, so to speak, but affected.

I'll read your links.

  • 8 votes
Reply#2 - Sun Aug 22, 2010 4:13 PM EDT
bore-head007

You are welcome, mthrof 3. Just looking out for your kids natural inheritence, before they steal it from them. They will, if we don't stop them.

  • 9 votes
#2.1 - Sun Aug 22, 2010 4:19 PM EDT
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Uthaclena

Unfortunately, it seems that too many American agencies such as NOAA, NASA, and the Interior Department,which should be providing hard information on which to base decisions, has been co-opted under the concept stated by Calvin Coolidge that "The business of America is Business." Every Presidential administration in my memory - going back as far as Eisenhower - has failed to insure the independence of these departments.

  • 6 votes
Reply#3 - Sun Aug 22, 2010 4:33 PM EDT
bore-head007

Thank you for responding.

This is the first time that you are going to lose ownership of your fish. There are no road blocks to stop them from being sold to foreign entity's.

  • 8 votes
#3.1 - Sun Aug 22, 2010 4:55 PM EDT
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A Sergeant's Mom

NOAA saves lives. Sorry - no offense.

PS: The pig photo is a bit over the pork.

  • 2 votes
Reply#4 - Sun Aug 22, 2010 6:43 PM EDT
bore-head007

Yeah, they saved Hawaii from the tsunami!

I like the pig!

Sorry, They've been ruing lives for quite a while. And Jobs. And Small Business,Too.

I'm sure you saw that in a link or two ,though, so, thank you ASM, for taking your time to read this.BH

The rambling's of an uneducated lout.

  • 5 votes
#4.1 - Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:23 PM EDT
A Sergeant's Mom

4.1 - But they save lives in severe weather prediction. So, in considering the positive aspects...

just my snouting off at the mouth. :]

  • 3 votes
#4.2 - Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:27 PM EDT
bore-head007

Greatfully, they can do at least that right!

It's a huge agency, that burns a lotta money, so, gosh, not everything can be bad, I hope!

The fishery issue is dysfunctional and there is a large bi partisan coalition that is building to push for full congressional hearings to fix MSA.

  • 3 votes
#4.3 - Sun Aug 22, 2010 8:12 PM EDT
A Sergeant's Mom

4.3 - Are you an American? Your statements seem to be spoken in somewhat broken English. Just curious.

I'm seeing quite a bit of individuals from foreign nations getting heavily involved in American politics. I find that interesting, yet curious.

  • 3 votes
#4.4 - Mon Aug 23, 2010 7:06 AM EDT
bore-head007

Manufactured in the USA. Navy/Army Guard vet, former commercial fisherman, currently unemployed heavy equipment operator, former small business owner, son, father, grandfather. And a nice guy,too!

  • 4 votes
#4.5 - Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:47 AM EDT
A Sergeant's Mom

4.5 - Ok - Start a private security business.

  • 3 votes
#4.6 - Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:54 AM EDT
bore-head007

An angle I never considered. I would rather be blessed with connections, if I could choose.

http://www.gloucestertimes.com/topstories/x1687718377/Environmental-firm-jumped-gun-on-deal-with-NOAA

  • 3 votes
#4.7 - Mon Aug 23, 2010 9:27 AM EDT
fishwarrior

Aretired war hero's daughter---they have been getting away with corruption for years and you are just unaware and maybe you do not want to be aware--I don't blame you for that---I wish I could hide from it. I have tried but it is simply impossible at this time for anyone in our industry to ignore! If you ever change your mind about truly wanting to know--there are plenty of documented facts that bore head has posted. Thank you for at least commenting, which means that you may want to know someday.

  • 1 vote
#4.8 - Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:12 PM EDT
bore-head007

fish, How'd I do?

  • 1 vote
#4.9 - Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:18 PM EDT
fishwarrior

just swell bore!

  • 1 vote
#4.10 - Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:20 PM EDT
bore-head007

Thats all I need to know!

  • 1 vote
#4.11 - Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:35 PM EDT
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mightyj

NOAA's weather prediction is almost as reliable as everything else they do. They have mountains of information coming in and the failure as always is interpretation. The sad fact is those mountains of data are landing on some poor schmoe's desk who will never get paid the big oil money like the politician's that have invaded this "scientific" organization.

NOAA's failure to protect our nation's ocean resources is a national travesty that has cost lives. That's right, they are indeed culpable in causing the desperation that led so many to make the last decision they ever made. When you have to make the trip or lose everything you go anyway.

Thanks NOAA for failing us so miserably. The only questions I will ever have about your dismal performance is..... Were you incompetent or was it treason against the people of the US? When are you going to apologize for the suffering and personal tragedy you have caused so many in the name of your, "best available science?"

Obama should have appointed Donald Trump to run NOAA. He knows exactly what to say to those that would progress the policies of systemic failure.

  • 6 votes
Reply#5 - Sun Aug 22, 2010 9:43 PM EDT
bore-head007

Comments on the "Sonar-like project brings new precision to fish counts" article

Comments On the “Sonar-like project brings new precision to fish counts” article from the Gloucester Daily Times, August 17, 2010, and posted on Ahab’s Journal and Saving Seafood.com

"The experimental approach — known as Ocean Acoustic Waveguide Remote Sensing, or OAWRS —expands by a factor of 'roughly one million', according to a peer-reviewed article in Science Magazine, the effectiveness of traditional trawl surveys, now the starting point for regulatory controls." (see above mentioned article by Richard Gaines in Gloucester Daily Times))

NOAA funding must be made available for the testing of this survey instrument. This is the kind of project that the "Fisheries Service" is mandated to spend money on, ---not junkets to Mozambique.

The research and testing of this survey technology would actually be of "Service" to the fisheries and the fish consuming public. Surely NOAA can take one million of its eight billion dollar budget and spend it on testing something that might benefit everyone, ---including the fish.

If NOAA was truly interested in fulfilling its purpose of promoting sustainable fisheries, and serious about restoring some belief in the veracity of its stock surveys and analyses, wouldn't you think funding would be automatic for such a promising and potentially important scientific innovation, ---and timely, since currently there is no trust in the integrity of the agency?

This is an opportunity for NOAA to try something different, to honor their incessantly proclaimed commitment to science-based regulation, and to abandon quoting the cartoon science of Pauly, Worm, Costello, et al. It's time for NOAA to quit the net-towed-sideways, stab-in-the-dark, stop-and-drop, trawl surveys, and let go the admittedly hyperbolic, agenda-driven, bogus junk they've been fostering and calling scientific data for too many years.

It is time for NOAA to pay attention to the sound science that is available from many of their own scientists and from the cooperative studies involving reputable fishing Captain Jim Rhule and The F/V Darana R. working with scientists from the NEAMAP Virginia Institute of Marine Technology program. NOAA seems to discount all but the results that can be “spun” into support for the avowed NOAA agenda formula of “overfishing” therefore “fleet reduction”.

This new survey method could be a chance for some accurate real-time fish stock survey and intelligent assessment. It certainly seems worth spending some time and money to look into it.

Funding this research could also be an encouraging move away from setting the allowable catch based on NOAA's current three-tiered debacle of a data assessment process which uses "the best available science", reduced by "the uncertainty factor", the results of which are, of course, all subject to "the precautionary principle", and which usually results in "the next to nothing allocation", ---for too many fishermen.

Fishermen know better than anyone that the fisheries need to be managed; but the management entity must have transparency and accountability in its purpose and methods. The Fisheries Management Service must be of service to the fisheries not the management.

The intelligent use of funding for new innovative survey projects, like this one for instance, instead of doggedly defending stale inaccurate data, would show some integrity and good faith. This would go a long way toward establishing a consensus, a commonality of purpose and an underlying trust so crucial to the existence of any management system, whether it's days-at-sea, or a hierarchical point system, or catch shares.

Trust and participation in management allows a system to become "of, for, and by the people" (sort of a... democracy), not a dictatorial regime to be feared and resisted, one propped up by illogical unintelligible laws and punitive enforcement.

Maybe the Northeast and Southern Congressional Coalitions can help us here and get behind requesting some NOAA funding for this research, or if that’s not successful then ask the question... “Exactly Why Would You Not support such a project?” The results might begin the unraveling of this regulatory mess.

Dick Grachek

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  • 3 votes
#5.1 - Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:51 AM EDT
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ADad-1477522

http://www.rap.ucar.edu/weather/

That link is mostly for weather and aviation, but it might help w precip and winds...

  • 4 votes
Reply#6 - Sun Aug 22, 2010 9:49 PM EDT
bore-head007

Thanks, ADad

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#6.1 - Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:55 AM EDT
ADad-1477522

Yep... I use it to make sure my head is tellin me the truth... I can predict a low pressure system before it happens:-( Killer headaches.

  • 3 votes
#6.2 - Mon Aug 23, 2010 12:58 PM EDT
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oldfogey

They need the fish meal to add to the Soylent Green. Thanks for the article. NOAA is just one more of the bureaucratic cancers that have metastasized in the US.

  • 5 votes
Reply#7 - Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:45 AM EDT
bore-head007

oldfogey, stay with us, and lets clean house, before Wall Street cleans us out again!

Lubchenco is determined to commoditize, and trade your property, your fish.

I grew up poor in a fishing town, and my mother depended on me to catch flounders in the harbor to feed us, five kids.

The next little kid will lose that right. His/Her birthright.

  • 3 votes
#7.1 - Mon Aug 23, 2010 12:08 PM EDT
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CL1

Thanks bore-head; I agree with your sentiments and the implications of the agencies and the individuals you mentioned.

I haven't read all of the links, yet. There is a lot of info here, and I agree that it is important for all of us to be aware.

  • 5 votes
Reply#8 - Mon Aug 23, 2010 12:46 PM EDT
bore-head007

Thanks CL1, There is a lot! It is complicated by design, and very confusing.Nils Stolpe's Fish Net site has more real information than I can deliver, and the beauty of his work is, he verifys,and through the verification process, everything falls into place!

One thing that stands out is, the decades long relationships for a great number of the stars of the show.

I recomend taking about a half hour to listen to the WGBH audio series. It covers thirty years of the situation, and with a few exceptions, it gives those unfamiliar, a leg up.

  • 2 votes
#8.1 - Mon Aug 23, 2010 1:14 PM EDT
CL1

Ok.. good idea. Thanks again!

  • 2 votes
#8.2 - Mon Aug 23, 2010 1:56 PM EDT
bore-head007

you're welcome.

  • 2 votes
#8.3 - Mon Aug 23, 2010 2:12 PM EDT
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bore-head007

This just in!http://bore-head007.newsvine.com/_news/2010/08/23/4954989-noaa-finance-expert-status-draws-fishing-lawyers-fire-gloucestertimescom-gloucester-ma

A story of more corrupt activity financed by your agents.

  • 6 votes
Reply#9 - Mon Aug 23, 2010 1:26 PM EDT
mightyj

BH- Did I read your newest correctly we are going to protest Obama this time at the fishing rally? (;

  • 3 votes
Reply#10 - Mon Aug 23, 2010 6:24 PM EDT
bore-head007

A flotilla is assembling even as we speak! Headed for the Vinyard. The Osprey would make a fine statement!

Hit the link I posted above. Seems as though the NMFS likes to pay for trips to Kuala Lumpur, for their expert witnesses to fight overfishing, In kuala Lumpur. I don't know any US fishermen fishing in Kuala Lumur. Evah seen that on the chart?

  • 3 votes
#10.1 - Mon Aug 23, 2010 6:34 PM EDT
mightyj

BH- Is that by Cambodia or something?

  • 3 votes
#10.2 - Mon Aug 23, 2010 7:19 PM EDT
bore-head007

Malaysia??? I think that's where the underage sex trade flourishes. Certainly just coincidental, and off color. I should delete my comment but,, Ah, what the Hell.

I would love to know why they are traveling around the world on the Asset Forfeiture Fund. and taking their paid expert witnesses with them.The budget at NOAA is going to take a huge hit, now that paying for witnesses, and judges, and even their lawyers, cant tap the $48 Million dollar slush fund. Remember when we thought it was $8.$ mil? If they count money like the count fish, no one should have to cast a net. The fish'll jump right in!

  • 4 votes
#10.3 - Mon Aug 23, 2010 7:59 PM EDT
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David @ San Jose, CA

Borehead, what astounds me the most is the lack of coordination between departments.

For instance, we created the "Homeland Security" to better protect the home front and to consolidate intelligence from a number of existing agencies, yet some of us still question the effectiveness thereof even after the development of yet more bureaucracy that only overlaps that which priorly existed.

The same goes for the protection of our environment and food-ways, to which I believe you are primarily interested. I often wonder if the various departments of government really work together at our best interests. It's not just the NOAA, but also the work of the Army Corps of Engineers, the Coast Guard, Department of Agriculture, Food and Drug Administration, state governed departments, etc. Indeed, I'm not even sure why the NOAA is under the umbrella of the Department of Commerce, which seems odd in some regards, like a fish out of water, compared to its other affairs.

In California, there's the California Department of Food and Agriculture, as well as California Natural Resources Agency, which oversees the California Department of Fish and Game.

My point of course, is that the bureaucracy itself, how it's structured and managed, determines the quality and effectiveness. We shouldn't just question who manages these agencies, the politicians and lobbies that influence them; but, also the organizational structures and powers therein, as much as the coordination of vital information and projects.

  • 3 votes
Reply#11 - Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:23 PM EDT
bore-head007

Thank you David, and I agree that NOAA should not come under Commerce.

A complete overhaul of the agency is in order.

My biggest concern, next to the eradication of fishermen, is the reposetion of our recourse, and allowing them to commoditize our fish, and sell them to the highest bidder. We will no longer own them, you,and I, Multinational corporations will own them. An evil plan, brought forth by evil people.

  • 3 votes
#11.1 - Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:42 PM EDT
David @ San Jose, CA

If you noticed the links I provided you, a debate in California exists that call for combining a division of California's Fish and Game department with the CHP (California Highway Patrol/State Troopers), for more effective law enforcement within the environmental protection initiatives. The California model currently seems more sensible than the national one; probably because of this state's historic and progressive stance towards conservation and parks. I'm not sure about the CHP link, however, because if it's not done right, it could just weigh the department too far in yet another direction, without clear focus or initiatives.

I think that the way the federal bureaucracy is structured shows us how much we are working with a whacked system, a lack of good priority and our total regard thereof. It's just a big mess, and that seems to be okay for most of the apathetic lot.

  • 3 votes
#11.2 - Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:54 PM EDT
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Cusk

The Dept of Commerce is in direct opposition to the success of US fisheries...The ECOFRAUDS are in direct opposition to the success of American fisheries.The Ecofrauds bought their seat at the table with party favors...The industry does not stand a chance if it continues to play nicely with these sharks...

  • 4 votes
Reply#12 - Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:35 PM EDT
bore-head007

Thank you Cusk, I need all the support I can get! I have been working at drawing attention to this, and people are starting to get interested,and involved!

Lubchencos actions in the Gulf will be her unraveling,and I'm taking every oppertunity to expose this AGENDA driven zealot.

What did you think of the links?

  • 4 votes
#12.1 - Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:41 PM EDT
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Elaine-1503791

Both of these individuals are named in a lawsuit brought forth by a large delegation of industry representatives, city's, and bi partisan politicians.

This is very good news.

BH and JJ.....both of you and others have done a great service by exposing the truth about what big money bureaucrats in Washington are doing to our free waters and our rights to them, and to our fishing traditions in this country. Thank you.

  • 6 votes
Reply#13 - Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:33 PM EDT
bore-head007

Thanks Elaine, if you think about it,its kinda like the oil deal, its the deception.

People are not aware of the drive to remove our heritage, and our property, the commonwealth of our resources. Your resources.

In the links, the WGBH series explains the thirty year deal nicely.One link is Mary Beth de Poutiloff, a viner, telling her familys struggle. For no reason.

  • 4 votes
#13.1 - Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:53 PM EDT
Elaine-1503791

Exactly...FOR NO REASON! Except to crush the little guy. Thanks for the links BH....we all need to get behind our fishermen and their families.....and FIGHT!!!

  • 4 votes
#13.2 - Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:03 PM EDT
bore-head007

This will tickle you! EDF where lubchenco was a vice pres. another one has advised investers that profits from this could be realized up to 500%, when the full destruction is complete.

These aren't your bluejean wearin, friends of the planet, these are money driven corporatist under the guise of environmentalism.Hm,split that word, mentalism.

Someone said follow the money! This is where it has led me.

  • 5 votes
#13.3 - Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:27 PM EDT
Elaine-1503791

You bring up another good point BH.....where are all the environmentalist protesting and demanding answers about the Gulf oil spill? Is it not the biggest corporate driven money grubbing fish killing people starving disaster ever to hit our country? I haven't heard a peep from them. Where are they?

  • 4 votes
#13.4 - Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:41 PM EDT
bore-head007

Ship ahoy matey!

http://www.savingseafood.org/conservation-environment/the-oil-slick-pew-oceana-scientists-roughing-it-in-the-2.html

  • 2 votes
#13.5 - Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:36 PM EDT
mightyj

Elaine- The oil-mentalists take too much money from the energy companies to do anything to actually protect the environment. Big oil bought all of the watch dogs long ago and we are patting the fricken things on the head like they still do their job.

Environmentalism didn't go mainstream, it went mainline, direct cash injection they are just money junkies and PEW has what they need. JJ

  • 4 votes
#13.6 - Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:37 PM EDT
bore-head007

Did I mrntion the guys haven't caught their quota in ten years leaving fish in the sea,increasing numbres of fish continuously.

Goyya go watch swords. be back.

http://www.fishnet-usa.com/chronic_underfishing.htm

  • 3 votes
#13.7 - Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:46 PM EDT
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bore-head007

!

  • 2 votes
Reply#14 - Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:33 PM EDT
Carol-99

I guess we shouldn't be surprised that large corporations are trying to take over the fishing industry like everything else.

http://ahabsjournal.typepad.com/ahabs_journal/2010/08/thoughts-on-the-buyout.html#more

The investors, banksters, and
mega-corporations want to make money and "own" public resources.

Our laws are being misinterpreted to support the rich at the expense of
the common man.

  • 4 votes
Reply#15 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:05 AM EDT
mightyj

Good one Carol, thank you for the link!

  • 3 votes
#15.1 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:08 AM EDT
bore-head007

Good morning to you both.

Carol, thanks for that, I use that source regularly. Thats the direction this is going. They are steeling your fish. Another Wall St Shakedown!

  • 3 votes
#15.2 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:29 AM EDT
Carol-99

bore-head, I got the link from your article, so thanks to you. :-) I knew that the fisherman were having problems after the BP disaster, but it appears that there were problems before that.

  • 1 vote
#15.3 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:27 AM EDT
bore-head007

Oh,Carol, this has been going on for thirty years, and its been getting worse as times gone by. I will link you to a couple of others that will make things clearer. The stratton report was written in 1969, and was the platform for setting the stage.

The troubles have always originated by the government, starting the introduction of the otter trawl in the early 1900s. I can find that for you, given enough time, but blunder after blunder from the gov.

http://www.lib.noaa.gov/noaainfo/heritage/stratton/contents.html

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=31564

Please don't misconstrue my motive. I know we need regulations, but this is over regulation based on botched science.

  • 3 votes
#15.4 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:16 AM EDT
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Carol-99

Oh,Carol, this has been going on for thirty years,

Like I said, I guess I shouldn't be surprised. I'll read the links when I get a chance.

It seems like the government is lax when it comes to regulating huge corporations like BP, but they get all gungho when it comes to regulating the little guys.

  • 3 votes
Reply#16 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:59 AM EDT
bore-head007

Hello to all! I got a call to go purse siegning for herring on thursday and I have'nt fished since 86. It was tough on this old geezer but the gang is great! I must return later today, so my time is short. I would love to chat, but would prefer to spend my limited time with my beloved Carol. I will shout for you guys when I return. Bless you all, and please sign the petition!

  • 3 votes
Reply#17 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 10:23 AM EDT
bore-head007

I was rebutting a post on another thread,and found thid GDT article that is worth a look!

This is the basis for shaking everybody up about the commercial fishing industry?

http://www.gloucestertimes.com/fishing/x1896342843/New-take-on-past-fishing-science

Jane Lubchenco, the national adminstrator for oceans and atmosphere, who at the time of the initial article's publication, was a professor at Oregon State University, seemed to take the claim literally.

"They are flagging a really serious problem," Lubchenco was quoted by the Washington Times as saying, "but I don't buy that extrapolation."

Lubchenco was a member of a working group, empaneled by the Environmental Defense Fund last year to write a fishing policy action agenda for the incoming Obama administration. The prescription was "catch shares," an approach that converts the publicly owned resource into a commodity, and is the focus of a regulatory transition in the New England Fishery and thus Gloucester.

And you thought I was full of gurry.

  • 3 votes
Reply#18 - Sun Sep 12, 2010 1:19 PM EDT
rdshacklefordDeleted
Rixar13

The fishermen are our agents and Jane Lubchenco, has set up a system to actually remove a significant number of small family, multi generational, fishing operations for absolutely no reason.

My cynical nature never focused at this reality and thank you Bore-Head007. I have the up-most respect and empathy for the fisherman that I worked with in Maine while in the Coast Guard... I recently remember when diesel was over $4 a gallon and blame W....

  • 3 votes
Reply#20 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:55 PM EST
bore-head007

Mary Beth and her husband own a classic easternrigged scallop boat, and they are in the common pool. They have four days per year to make it. By the Grace of God, they hang on.

  • 3 votes
#20.1 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:36 PM EST
Mrs D-1475814

I love Mary Beth and fishwarrior.. oh, and you to BH. :-) I just wish I knew how to help in a productive way to help you all. :(

  • 3 votes
#20.2 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:40 PM EST
Elaine-1503791

Hi my dearest friend Doc D....we can sign petitions that BH, JJ, fishwarrior, Mary Beth and all these fine people bring to us.....and write to Congress and raise all hell about NOAA!

BH....love the avatar.....you look like a Viking!

  • 3 votes
#20.3 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:48 PM EST
Mrs D-1475814

I've done that Doc E♥... doesn't seem to be enough. Politicians, as we know, don't care about any of us. It never seems to go anywhere. :(

Hell, yeah BH!!!! With your new avatar are you a fisherman, viking or a harley man? :-) Don't you have a special person named Carol in you life, I believe? Hugs to you both!!! Oh, and your fat cat! :)

  • 3 votes
#20.4 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:01 PM EST
bore-head007

Thanks, Elaine, I am kinda timid, so it wasn't easy to put it up.

You and I, and Mrs D, along with others that comment regularly, are not in the industry. We know who our fishermen/ladies are, fw,MB mighty j, and a few others. These are our connection to the part of the equation that concerns us, the fish.

Those fish belong to every American citizen. We are the real stakeholders. Those fish are a birthright for each of us. We are not being represented in any of this. It should be the government that has our best interest at heart, and from what I, and others have shown you, NOAA/NMFS is not considering anything on our behalf. They are wreaking havoc on those in which we depend upon, to get our seafood for us.

We import 85% of all seafood consumed in our country. Much of it is raised in aquaculture, and fish raised in their own excrement is not healthy.

NOAA has been taken over by the EDF, and they are in it for the money. They will see those multinational owned corporations, with HUGE factory ships harvest the resource stolen from, (Catch Shares), and eliminate Mary Beth, and others that were screwed royally in this EDF scheme. EDF has members on the regional councils under the pretense of being stakeholders. The councils have zero citizen representation. All bureaucrats, and a couple of fishermen. They make the rules, and NMFS carries the rules out.

I think the way to straighten this out is to file a class action suit, in the name of the real stakeholders. Us,the citizens. I would like for us, to sue EDF, NOAA, and get restitution for our fishermen. The ones like Mary Beth, and so many others. It was the small operations that were sacrificed. The ones that conserved the most. The ones that the NMFS told to chase other species, insteadd of ground fish. They were awarded their alocations on the last ten year of fishing history. The ones that took the most, were rewarded with the most allocation.

NOAA forced this deal on the fleet, and the regional council made it happen. Criminal activity at its finest. I want people held accountable, and I want victims to be fully compensated financially, and spiritually. I want the people put back into their lives as they were on May 1st. I want counselling for those that have been traumatized. And I want EDF to be broken, and disposed of.

Will you join me?

  • 3 votes
#20.5 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:30 PM EST
Mrs D-1475814

NOAA forced this deal on the fleet, and the regional council made it happen. Criminal activity at its finest. I want people held accountable, and I want victims to be fully compensated financially, and spiritually. I want the people put back into their lives as they were on May 1st. I want counselling for those that have been traumatized. And I want EDF to be broken, and disposed of.

Will you join me?

Without a doubt, I will be there and my husband and family!!!

  • 3 votes
#20.6 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:47 PM EST
bore-head007

I love you guys!

  • 3 votes
#20.7 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:14 PM EST
Mrs D-1475814

WE love you BH and your fellow fisherman!!! That is all that needs to be said. :)

  • 3 votes
#20.8 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:37 PM EST
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Larry Crehore

Carol-1960

As both bore and I have said watch the money. The larger corporations buy and sell people like Janet Lubchenco and her minions every day just to suit their bottom line. Not only is NOAA afraid of big corporate money they have found it much easier it steal money from the smaller fishing families through illegal regulation enforcement and confiscation of equipment. NOAA then sells the fishing boats and pockets that money as regulation enforcement. While NOAA enforces these regulations and hands down ridicules fines that can't be paid by the best of the fleets, causing family run business to fold, NOAA is being looked into for misappropriation of funds they are supposed to be taking care of. NOAA needs to have an audit on all it's accounts and the report needs to be made public and anyone found misappropriating funds needs to be charged and brought to court. Then the entire NOAA organization needs to be overhauled and people need to be replaced. Then there needs to be a complete rewrite of the regulations governing the fisheries. And this time the fishermen involved need to have a voice so they can have an input as to catch limits and number of days on the water.

  • 2 votes
Reply#21 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:54 PM EST
Kara Shalee

Thanks for the article, bore-head. I have learned so much from the fishermen on the vine, like yourself, deepwater don and mightyjj. This is vital information and I do try to keep up. Thanks to all of you who do what would seem an impossible job, and also for educating the rest of us.

  • 2 votes
Reply#22 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:58 PM EST
Atsidi

I live way out in the desert up her in northern Nevada and had no Idea all this was going on. Sounds like the seagoing version of the USDA. They are all out to put the little guy out of business it seems.

  • 2 votes
Reply#23 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:01 PM EST
Mrs D-1475814

You are correct with you thoughts dear Atsidi♥!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 3 votes
#23.1 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:16 PM EST
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bore-head007

Class action lawsuit in the name of us, the citizens.

  • 2 votes
Reply#24 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:33 PM EST
fishwarrior

Would love to see a Class action on this---especially with the Northwest Pacific, Northeast and the Southeast on the path to individual lawsuits. I don't know how they make it into a class action---especially when it affects every US citizen! Can't Eat Wind Power, Can't drink oil, Can't eat Gulf fish (cuz of the oil and corexit). Food is vital to all human life and fish ranks high--hence, fish is (at least was) a Common Resource (like water and air)--thats why it affects every citizen.

While not everyone enjoys the Bounty of the Sea---I think 85% Imports of crapola speaks loudly that more do enjoy the bounty than do not!

  • 2 votes
#24.1 - Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:08 AM EST
fishwarrior

...and also---THANK YOU ALL FELLOW CITIZENS FISHERMEN AND NON-FISHERMEN ALIKE---it is so greatly APPRECIATED! If you are inclined, bang your senators phone lines with your concerns or douse their emails--that is helpful. "The squeaky wheel gets the grease" and nowhere is this cliche more prolific than when dealing with electeds!

  • 2 votes
#24.2 - Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:10 AM EST
Elaine-1503791

Class action suit, great idea. Where do we sign?

  • 2 votes
#24.3 - Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:41 AM EST
bore-head007

I will start with ACLU! I'm gonna start inquiring.

  • 2 votes
#24.4 - Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:40 PM EST
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Mrs D-1475814

BH... that would be interesting. Let us know.

  • 2 votes
Reply#25 - Tue Nov 16, 2010 1:28 PM EST
fishwarrior

Yuppers BH--let us know if you get anywhere with them (no one else has had too much luck). I sure hope you do:) Plus, you have special talents with people!!!

  • 2 votes
#25.1 - Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:56 PM EST
bore-head007

The ace in the hole is, its for the citizens, not for any special interest group.

Its one thing when its an organization, its got to be another when it comes to someone stealing a resource from the commons! Whaddaya think?

  • 2 votes
#25.2 - Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:38 PM EST
fishwarrior

Sounds solid to me! Let's see what they say.

  • 2 votes
#25.3 - Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:34 PM EST
bore-head007

I'm on it.

  • 2 votes
#25.4 - Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:35 PM EST
fishwarrior

ou fly boy!!!

  • 2 votes
#25.5 - Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:36 PM EST
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