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Ted Steven's may be dead, but his virus is effecting every American!

Mon Nov 1, 2010 1:19 PM EDT
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Senator Ted Stevens. THE Stevens in Magnuson Stevens Act. The much revered Senator from Alaska. The Icon to every quota holding participant in Alaska, and now New England, soon in California. The hero of Catch Shares. Consolidation.

A lot of fish folks from around the country have learned not to hesitate or give up, because they now understand the economic and social harms of privatization of Alaska fisheries into catch shares – government giveaways to special interests.

Catch Shares are an economic tool that awards exclusive rights to our national resource, while excluding us. The corporations, both foreign and domestic, are getting filthy rich, as this theft leaves us behind. At the same time, the heart and soul of the fisheries on every coast, the small family operated fishing fleet that actually operate small businesses, and share the proceeds of the catch, with the crew, are being destroyed. The crewmen are stake holders. All self employed. Never considered in the Stevens Ponzi Scheme.

This timely article, the day before election day, has many Alaska names that are in the news, and it behooves us all to review the whole article, as written.

About Stephen Taufen
A public watchdog and advocate for fishermen and their coastal communities. Taufen is an "insider" who blew the whistle on the international profit laundering between global affiliates of North Pacific seafood companies, who use illicit accounting to deny the USA the proper taxes on seafood trade. The same practices are used to lower ex-vessel prices to the fleets, and to bleed monies from our regional economy. Worked 20 years in the Alaska seafood industry for processors in cost accounting, fleet management, operations.

“Hesitating in the face of evil is equivalent to siding with the enemy”

- Marion Pritchard

A chat for those with fishing patience:

As for Alaska, big changes are in order, now that ‘Ted’s Dead’ and all the planned lobbying money won’t be there to enrich the Stevens family. Where will his attorneys now send the legal bills?

It was an odd political event when the Prevo Baptist Broadcasting Studio had flags draped everywhere and Air Force Two flew out an embarassing group of suckass politicos to lionize the chief Berkshire of Pork in Anchorage. Not once during the hour-and-a-half event did even one of Ted’s offspring or Alaskan buddies give a eulogy. In other words, it was not a funeral.

And now that Lisa Murkowski – Miss What Do I Stand For? – lost the Republican primary (but unlike the Quitter, she won’t give up), she stands to fill the six-inch pumps of Alaska’s federal lobbyist stormtroopers. In all likelihood, Arne Fuglvog will trail along at her heels to service the fishing companies of Seattle, Tokyo and Seoul. Lisa’s failure to take on the industry regarding about $2 billion in revenues missing annually from Alaska’s fisheries - due to illicit accounting techniques as foreign-owned firms shift revenues and expenses across borders among their affiliates and parent firms, all to avoid U.S. nexus taxes (and even foreign taxes) - will be richly rewarded as a lobbyist.

It’s the one thing she and Sarah Palin have in common – a repeated failure to take on Abusive Transfer Pricing on the national political level while in office or running for office. Yet they both talk of Alaskan self-sufficiency. Hah! But don’t be surprised if Joe Miller – Mr. Let’s Stop Federal Pork to Alaska – fails to take on the ATP cause, as well – along with whomever becomes the next governor.

Now, Lisa simply has to spend a year in a K-Street lawfirm as a ’special advisor’ (to her future clientele), then she can sign up as an official lobbyist in 2012. From the looks of all the fish industry carpetbaggers and cartel representatives (UFA’s Arne Thomson, the processors’ John Iani, and good ol’ fishery aide Arne Fuglvog) who were looming over her shoulder at her campaign headquarters, she will have a lively lobbying business and make millions. It’s a lot easier than being a Senator; and Ted left behind a lot of clients who need her.

Abusive Transfer Pricing will always matter:

ATP = "Global Shell Games"

It’s not personal, Lisa; but your failures to take on Abusive Transfer Pricing losses to our economy say it all about whether or not you are for family fishermen and dependent communities or for the multinationals and their “Faustian bargain” IFQ-holder partners. The same applies to your continued efforts (along with Senator Mark Begich’s support) to introduce a Senate version of H.R. 4213 to allow the non-profit Community Development Quota groups in Western Alaska a rare federal tax exemption for their for-profit fishing subsidiaries. This bill would be the largest financially devastating event and harm for real competition in the Alaska seafood industry since Ted Stevens’ rationalization riders dropped in the Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2004. Other competitors as well as fishermen wanting to buy quota could not compete given the tax-disadvantaged position they’ll be forced into.

The lack of full federal enforcement of ATP amounts to a subsidy given to foreign controlled corporations and other global tax evading multinationals to come into Alaska and steal our resources on the cheap. ATP is an important factor in national competitiveness and the Conduct of Trade, and a matter of sovereignty in Commerce.

Joe, Scott and Lisa - PS: ATP – the major global tax and trade topic of this Century – also explains how tens of billions a year are ripped off via high costs of drugs we import, at grave expense to our Medicare and private health care plans. Groundswell has been reassured by the Government Accountability Office research team on the high costs of drugs that it will take our November 2009 public comment into consideration as they pursue this issue for five House of Representative chairpersons and their committees.

CDQ Subsidiaries’ Tax Exemption Scheme:

It would not be a good idea for Lisa to move forward with the Senate embodiment of H.R. 4213 before leaving office! Groundswell is pretty convinced that the IRS and others will have a say, because this would grant extreme special favors to only a few of the nation’s non-profit entities, and set a rotten precedent. Lisa, you no longer need those CDQ votes! Strategically alone, as a crook does, you’d be better off to convince them that this is why they will need you as a lobbyist later, and you can squeeze a million bucks out of the CDQs over the next few years.

CDQ $ Wasted on Wall Street games ...

Lisa, isn’t it grievously wrong to allow CDQs to go to the casino economy and drop tens of millions of “Red 3″ at the roulette wheel (Wall Street during its downward spiral), as one CDQ did, losing something like $17 million. And we thought CDQs were set up to serve the communities themselves (not!).

Fractured Politics:

For now, instead of tredding around the lame-duck pond, Murkowski seems to many observers to be having a vendetta based cat-fight with ‘Sarah and her choice’. So much for party unity when the lead Republican won’t gracefully concede in full and tell her constituents to support Joe Miller – the Republican choice for Alaska’s next U.S. Senator. Groundswell now backs Scott McAdams simply because he has an Alaskan heart, and it’s time to prioritize education and other needs after a decade of military-industrial-congressional complex priorities that have created a political dead zone where the rest of us little fish can’t survive. Besides, McAdams commercially fished and might actually want to seriously look out for our fishery-dependent coastal economy.

Had the selfish club misleading the Alaska Democrats not discouraged Ray Metcalfe to run – because he believes that bad Democrats also should be prosecuted for unethical acts – we could have had a very lively candidate in the general election. Name recognition alone – for all of Ray’s years of fighting the corruption by VECO and legislators in Juneau - would have probably carried him to the top of the list… and we’d have a chance to send a real challenger into the U.S. Senate (i.e. someone who might help the entire nation clean up crooked politics).

So, it is not that the GOP is ’so together’ as much as the Dems are so self-destructive that seems to be making the mess. All things considered though, we think McAdams (at this point) looks like the kind of genuine and compassionate, down-to-earth type of fellow our nation needs to offset the lords of the Senate.

Of course, Groundswell remains open to ‘a bribe’ from Miller, to support him, if he’d just step up to his promise to get Alaska off the federal dole and truly help the nation, as the sponsor of a landmark bill to give the IRS another $3 billion a year to go after the $60+ billion per year in federal taxes missing from the Goods and Services economy due to multinational corporations practicing Abusive Transfer Pricing. But we’ll guess that his Tea Party credentials doesn’t mean he has the courage to go after corporate tax evasion on that scale. If he wants to give us a call, we’d be glad to educate him about ATP and how to really fix the Alaskan economy… and why it is wise to start calling the bluff of global resource exploiters who steal us blind.

N.Pac. Council Still Refuses to Properly Display US/Alaska Flags:

NPFMC Flag of Convenience

It’s been an interesting year for us on other fish concerns, as well. In a May meeting in Anchorage of the Council Coordinating Committee, we got to reach out to all of the national regional fishery management and conservation councils – and also make the point that once again U.S.A. and Alaskan flags (of full size) don’t occupy the North Pacific Council’s room, as protocol should require. The same thing happened during August when had it not been for Groundswell, Senator Murkowski and Governor Parnell would have arrived at the NPFMC meeting to find no proper flags on display – a day after having seen Ted’s flag-draped coffin and Prevo’s stage full of flags at the “funderal” show. When are the North Pacific council members going to understand that other councils across the nation are proudly displaying the flags, instead of acting like resentful fools? All it takes is for Alaska’s representatives to make a motion and second it, to establish a flag display policy as a standard council procedure, and dare those with conflicts of interest not to vote in favor of the motion. Hint, hint … are you listening Governor Parnell?

End-Run Legislation Meets Resistance in Congress:

Also, we watched on-line as Chairman Bordallo of the US House subcommittee on Insular Affairs told the Bering Sea/Aleutian Island freezer longliners to go back to Alaska and the NPFMC because her committee did not favor another piece of special legislation to grant more quota share private rights (public larcenies) just because the other quota-sucking lemmings were jumping off the rookery cliffs before, in pollock and crab rationalizations. Hey, if it is the Magnuson-STEVENS Fisheries Act, then maybe it should be Alaskan fishermen who follow the law foremost, instead of always doing end-run legislation greed packages to avoid the regional council process.

Catch Shares as a Faute de Mieux:

A Frenchman would sum up the Catch Shares approach of Lubchenco, the NPFMC, and Fuglvog et al as faute de mieux: for lack of something better. They should all visit an Otolaryngologist who could clear up their nostrils to quit smelling the rosy public relations flowers, the perfume of the mutual fund and hedge fund Ponzis; and who could remove the earwax, so they can actually listen to thousands of fishermen and others who oppose the greedy formula of industry consolidation and hear about the dozens of other means of addressing management and conservation.

This makes a very good point (originally put forth by professors Jeremiah Sullivan and Per Heggelund in 1979) - that when the FCMA was passed it was classed as ‘tier one’ legislation, dealing with management and conservation, and that Congress would have to come back later and define a body of fisheries law that would establish ‘tier two’ legislation, dealing with the economic issues. That does not necessarily mean catch shares, as communities and states could have been awarded a portion of the resources for locally decided solutions among competing interests, etc.

The 2007 MSA reauthorization plopped on deck some underdebated issue of ‘limited access privilege programs’ in substitution, and EDF-polished NOAA jackboots goosestep to the tune of tradable shares — nothing short of a public larceny. We need Congress and the IG Office to ask the SEC about the progress they made on their investigation after Groundswell filed a complaint last July after learning that the Milken Institute was involved in April to profess catch shares in the NE model of cooperatives, before the NEFMC even voted on the final package. The Milkens have a SEC lifetime order against them, not to meet with any investors etc. but it seems that has been forgotten, even though the Milkens were also convicted of multiple investment frauds and other felonies.

In short, a body of unfinished fisheries laws that were not designed for economic allocations in accordance with Antitrust, Restraint of Trade, Competition and Trade laws is the wrong basis for giving up the Public Commonweal to special interests. Congress should call for a 3 year or longer moratorium on “Catch Shares” until it properly designs tier-two fisheries legislation and audits how many billions have gone missing due to foreign-owners who practice global tax evasion.

Gulf of Alaska Rockfish Privatization Checked:

A particular highlight came in June, when the Rockfish rationalization program (part of the Stevens Rider of CAA2004) was restructured - with the stripping away of the illegal processor linked cooperatives, no grant of harvest shares for processors, a 10-year sunset on the Amendment and other measures that slowed down the 100-year plan of the shoreside trawler fleets and their foreign-owned and -controlled processor cartel. Who would have thought in 2005 that we’d be here in 2010 without a full-on quota share private ownership program in place? But don’t be too fooled, as the march to IFQs and PQs continues, if on a slower creep.

The take home message for the rest of the nation is that a small group can fight back with the Truth and stop the insane privatization of public resources, and force NOAA to adapt their approaches. The more who do not hesitate, the more who contribute ideas, then the more possibilities there are for good change — and keeping the money within the fishing industry, instead of it flowing to outside ‘investor class’ hands. Elitism must be stopped, and you must do your part. See below to assess which boxes you can stand on…

East Coast Fleet Visits Obama’s Vacation:

Catch Shares = Corporate Shares

We’ve also been watching the folks back East, a fleet protesting at Obama’s vacation shorestep; and other fishing news venues have covered all that pretty well. The eastcoasters are fast learning the hazards of Catch Shares programs designed solely to serve special interests.

You can visit SavingSeafood.org’s website, the South Coast and Gloucester Times news sites, and Ahab’s Journal to stay up to speed. We’d like to thank all our friends on the East Coast who are sharing the Alaskan experience (harmful effects) through our writings, by educating congressional offices about the truth that not all in Alaska are happy with elitism by outsiders.

We support those fishing brothers and sisters, cities and lawyers who are suing NOAA Fisheries and the Secretary of Commerce on New England States fishing “public larcenies” of Catch Shares. Groundswell did its part last year when we took on Lubchenco in Anchorage, after we filed a complaint at the Securities and Exchange Commission about the creation of tradable shares to serve the interest of outside investors instead of the fishing communities. We’ve continued to join with disenfranchised crab crewmembers in written testimonies to the US House subcommittee on Insular Affairs and other appropriate venues.

Our best projects remain behind the scenes, though, as it was when Groundswell began in the early-1990’s. The greatest tasks are about getting federal law enforcement offices to do the investigations that can lead to prosecutions, or at least to returns of revenues to the United States side of the trade equation — so that fishermen might get higher fish ticket prices. And in working toward greater accountability and transparency. After all, this is a significant balance of trade issue.

Felony Prosecutions Needed for False Testimony Behind Allocations:

One mention we can make is that we advised the NPFMC and the Inspector General’s Office (Commerce) that they should prosecute false testimony repetitions before the council. Either prosecute Clem Tillion – who continues to blatantly lie about the Aleut Corporation having made ‘an investment’ in Adak, when the Land Transfer Bill clearly stated it shall not be treated as a sale or investment – or prosecute me for saying Clem is a liar. One of us is giving False Testimony, so please, prosecute me or that liar. Same holds true for Arne Thomson of the Alaska Crab Coalition, now president of the (sick!) United Fishermen of Alaska for lying on the record about crew issues. Prosecute him or prosecute the crab crewmembers who point out his lies. The Five-Year Review of Crab Ratz is coming up in December, and it’s time the IG office prosecute these criminal violations, before they get repeated on the federal record again.

The East Coast should also care about this issue, because without the lies – the repetitive lies – the ‘proponents’ of Catch Shares could not attain their goals to privatize (steal) public resources. If the Truth does not matter enough to enforce the prohibited acts section in the MSA, then can’t our side also lie with impunity without consequence too? Although we hardly need to lie when just telling the Truth is damning enough. This is not about liars having any right to their ’opinions’ on catch shares under cover of white lies and outright lies - truth is not an issue of debate, it is supposed to be essential to a due process that should guarantee that truth comes out before NOAA and Commerce give away what does not belong to them. Otherwise, why would Congress have specifically made “False Testimony” a criminal prohibited act under the MSA?

Alaska Needs RESCue Plan for Resource Sovereignty Protections:

We also reached nearly all the Alaskan gubernatorial candidates on the issue of creating an Alaskan “Resource Economic Sovereignty Commission” (RESCue) with underlying Resource Accountability and Transparency Boards for fishing, timber, mining, and other resources. Self-sufficiency – and being weaned off earmark milk from the federal teets – can only come about with full knowledge of the value of our exploited resources as they enter global commerce, and knowing all the economic facts up to the consumers’ doors. But, typical of Resource Curse states, Alaskan politicians continue to cower under the power of Big Oil and the Japanese-fish Cartel &c.

So, we’ll sit back and watch how things go for the next few months… while staying active behind the scenes. And now that some website technical issues have been worked out, we’ll have to post up more archived files – from The Fishermen’s News, AlaskaReport.com, and other writings.

What Are Your Current Boxes?:

We’ll leave you with some advice, heard from an anonymous writer, that “There are four boxes one needs to have in life. First is a soapbox, second is the ballot box, and third is the jury box. Lastly, the ammo box. Likewise, the boxes should be used in that order.” It is clear that a lot of folks are standing on the third box right now. NOAA would be wise to start obeying the laws of this Nation, though, before the-gods-forbid someone finally steps up with their fourth box. If a government doesn’t want anarchy, it must not create the conditions for it.

Congress would be wise to see that the real problem lies in how Dr. Lubchenco is in consort with the Environmental Defense Fund, and mutual and hedge funds — hellbent on destructing one of the greatest and most essential U.S. industries. At some point,Obama is going to have to grab Joe Biden by the collar and tell him that the financial ponzi-like catch share schemes must be shut down.

Groundswell continues to encourage all fishermen and citizens to bear witness; don’t hesitate, educate; and please use all legal means possible to stop the illicit privatization of the public commonweal.

One final word of advise: Participate! Public input is what validates the council process, so make sure you participate - but in the right ways. However, you must ensure that the Councils actually address that public input, instead of simply backfill in crooked congressional riders or end-run legislation.

Because if bad things happen while you were absent from the process, you have no legal grounds to stand on. This is why even now, five years later, we are pressing the IG office to recognize that when Alaska Crab rationalization was done by the NPFMC, crewmen were present but were held back by vessel owners from testifying on the federal record to get crew IFQs. Later, crew were intimidated under threats of job loss not to testify at NPFMC meetings. Coercion – an illegal act – while crews were participating now forms the basis for a continuing legal right. Pay attention to AAFC’s advise to also show up at meetings and in court rooms, so that judges and decision makers know you have leadership and membership that opposes Catch Shares. You were there to haul George Washington and his troops across rivers to fight for freedom and liberty, fishermen – so be there today: as this Nation owes you still.

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bore-head007

This is an issue that effects every American.

Catch Shares MUST be abolished.

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 1:22 PM EDT
Rhonda maker

Great job Steven, as always! Pls. keep up your 'good Fight'! thank you, rhonda

thank you to Bore-head , too!

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 5:52 PM EDT
bore-head007

Rhonda, I'm so pleased to have your comment. We are seeing more people from Alaska commenting, and that is wonderful. People need to read, and know more about it.

Stephen Taufen has exposed us to other serious problems that we never hearabout, and his is another excellent article delivered to the citizens from knowledgeable sources involved in the seafood industry. His view from another vantage point, processing , is important, and more of that should be available.

If you have some other information , you could share, the peole would appreciate it.

Please Rhonda, come back often!

  • 3 votes
#2.1 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 7:16 PM EDT
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LifeTravler

Commenting to track so I can read the whole thing when I come in from work.

  • 4 votes
Reply#3 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 7:07 PM EDT
bore-head007

nowthat's efficient!

  • 4 votes
#3.1 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 7:17 PM EDT
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etva

Hey BH! Great job with this article. It really helps those of who aren't in the fishing industry to understand the bigger picture. BTW here's the link to the group on NV for those interested.

Link to Commercial Fishing United Newsvine Group

  • 3 votes
Reply#4 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 9:03 PM EDT
TR-421173

Thanks for that link. Now maybe I won't keep missing seeds. I missed this one & only found it due to a link on another article.

  • 1 vote
#4.1 - Wed Feb 2, 2011 12:51 PM EST
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mary beth de poutiloff

Great job, BH!! We only have to ask AK about catch shares & impacts on communities/

  • 2 votes
Reply#5 - Tue Nov 2, 2010 9:41 PM EDT
bore-head007

As luck would have it, we havw another Alaskan joining us. deepwater don was a crewman on the Sea Star, Deadliest Catch chaser boat!

  • 2 votes
#5.1 - Wed Nov 3, 2010 6:55 AM EDT
deepwater don

Make no mistake about it, Murkowski is not a friend of fishermen. She has continually favored the people who buy,market and sell seafood in Alaska to the exclusion and detriment of the crews who do the work. In fact most of the skipper/owners do not care about their crews, unless they are family members, and are only after the bottom line, and that is how much money goes into their own wallets. Crew members are looked on as expendable, easily replaced, and willing to work for peanuts.Rationalization in Alaska was a Ted Stevens plot to consolidate the multi billion industry into the hands and under control of the 5 major canneries and fish marketers in Alaska.

  • 2 votes
#5.2 - Wed Nov 3, 2010 9:36 AM EDT
bore-head007

don, thanks for that statement.

This is what people need to know, and as they learn, they will react.

  • 2 votes
#5.3 - Wed Nov 3, 2010 11:15 AM EDT
deepwater don

Fishermen need friends and activist within the electorate. Our voices are small here and easily cowed, by further regulations of the fisheries and threats of regulatory punishment if we don't go along or make waves. Sounds like you guys are somewhat more organized and are taking it to the 'man' to help with getting rights to make a living on your terms. Good luck and I will continue to help with and support my fellow fishermen and women whenever I can. Hey, buy your wives a King Crab from Alaska dinner tonight! Only kidding, even the guys who fish for them can't afford to do that.

  • 2 votes
#5.4 - Wed Nov 3, 2010 6:08 PM EDT
bore-head007

I haven't fished sinse the eightys, but I can't sit back and watch what is happening.

I chose this route to inform the public, and get people aware.

You guys are the ones that they want to hear from, and they want to support you.

This is my vehicle to get us there.

Get some of your friends over here and we will take NOAA/NMFS down.

  • 2 votes
#5.5 - Wed Nov 3, 2010 7:42 PM EDT
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deepwater don

Always liked a good protest, for a good cause. The commute would be a killer for me.

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Reply#6 - Wed Nov 3, 2010 8:35 PM EDT
bore-head007

Its always good to experience to broaden your horizons. Hey man.Them DC cats are a trip.

Ive watched from the beginning. Next to Phils tribute deal, which was a good one, one of the best was the show about the production crews. The guys got the camera on SH, and asks a question, as he does, he hit the deck, camera flippin, in the air!lmfao SH, whos eyes are hangin out, never changed his expression, crackin me up!

Same Shot Same expression, TAKE TWOO!!!!

Same friggin thing. That was @!$%#in funny!!

  • 2 votes
#6.1 - Wed Nov 3, 2010 8:50 PM EDT
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deepwater don

Phils passing was tragic. Knew him for 30 years. I never would have worked for him, and he would not have wanted me to work for him, but he will be missed. Hard living, bad habits, and the feeling that if the Bering Sea hasn't killed you by now, you must be invincible. We all think that way, it is just an occupational quirk. Until you figure out that there really may be a life that isn't quite so "near the edge".

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#7 - Thu Nov 4, 2010 12:21 AM EDT
CynicL1

deepwater don, question why would you not have worked for Phill? Just curious. The job looks like a killer no matter who's bot you are on. It also looks like the Boat Captains are held captive by the processors. Like they can have their chains yanked at any time.
Wonder if you could expand on that for me?

Bore Head good luck sir, the Fisheries Management in the Atlantic never has made sense to me and I am just a non commercial fisherman trying to stay out of trouble keeping up with slots, limited/changing seasons etc. etc. I don't EVEN want to think of what I would have to keep up with to fish for Snook in South Florida now. The rules and regs make my head spin. How you guys who do it for a living keep up is astounding.

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#7.1 - Sun Dec 5, 2010 9:57 PM EST
bore-head007

Catch Shares are headed your way! Rec fishing is in the crosshairs.

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#7.2 - Sun Dec 5, 2010 11:53 PM EST
deepwater don

CynicL1 There are several reasons. One is I am not too fond of aft-wheelhouse style boats. Have worked on several in the ice the bow builds up quickly and starts falling off the mast on people below. Plus in heavy weather the waves are constantly pouring off the bow and it is like working under a waterfall.

Another was his style of fishing and some of the deck equipment is not too modern and the crew and those on deck are actually working way harder and more dangerously than they should have to.

Also, I do not like working with relatives of the skipper/owner on the deck.Perfect example was one of his sons being a greenhorn and then wanted full share before he even pulled one single pot. This means he thinks he knows as much as me and should recieve the same percentage as me who fished for thirty years. Not on his life does he even know half as much as anyone on the boat. And Phil was proposing this kid would someday carry on the legacy to the wheelhouse.

While these issues may seem picky to some, remember the crew has to work like a well oiled machine, and everyone must be a gear in a wheel that must mesh smoothly and easily with the others.Anything else causes problems or mistakes and on a crab boat this leads to injuries, breakdowns that are costly, and sometimes loss of life.

All tolled I was in a position to pick and choose pretty much where and for whom I wanted to work for. And Larry and the Sea Star was good for me. I stayed out of the wheelhouse and did not tell him how to find crab, that is his #1 priority. And he stayed out of the engine room and off the deck and I took care of that.He ran the boat, and I made the boat run.

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#7.3 - Mon Dec 6, 2010 7:59 AM EST
mightyj

deepwater don I completely agree with you. Give me house forward so I have something big to hide behind and no relatives. I had a captain's son throw a bairdi at me and the claw got stuck in my shoulder, (I was going to have to beat him in front of his dad) on the Rosie G.

  • 2 votes
#7.4 - Mon Dec 6, 2010 9:39 AM EST
deepwater don

Non fishermen don't realize you are on a 100 ft boat with people who you normally wouldn't hang out with and have to rely on them not to do something thast could KILL you and their reaction would be to say 'oops'. If that guy threw a crab at me I would have beat the crap out of him the minute the boat hit the dock. Rosie G. is on the bottom of the Bering Sea now. A Marco boat, sank by human error.

  • 2 votes
#7.5 - Mon Dec 6, 2010 9:56 AM EST
bore-head007

I never fished on a crab boat, but plenty of draggers, Eastern rigged, and Western rigged. I was always wet on the Easten rig's, as you haul back, side to.

That pilot house forward was a much better setup, to shield you from the elements.

Only one Eastern rig left, in Gloucester. Little Sandra. She belongs at the Glouceaster Heritage Museum. Restored, and honored for being the last.

  • 2 votes
#7.6 - Mon Dec 6, 2010 11:26 AM EST
CynicL1

Thanks DD good explanation, and as for the guy who pitched a crab at you mightyJ I am surprised he didn't have to pull one out of his backside. Guys anyone who goes to sea for fishing or cargo has my respect, I for one am not sure I could do so, though growing up on the Great Lakes I thought about it. I know different seas than the ocean but dangerous none the less. As it is I am strictly a recreational fisherman, and for me it is about catching what I want to eat not something to show off. I am perfectly content to catch a mess of Whiting or gig for Flounder than go after Sailfish just to say I could.

I did propose to my wife while we were fishing and we went fishing for our Honeymoon. We are still married after 36 years and still fishing together. My best regards to all of you and my sincere respect for the hazards you undertake to provide US with food for the table.

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#7.7 - Mon Dec 6, 2010 6:11 PM EST
bore-head007

I've heard the waves get real big, on those lakes, up there.

CynicL1, you're a lucky guy! Catch Shares are headed your way, on the Lake's. It will be a part of recreational fishing. I'm not sure how their going to pork you guy's, but you're in for it. You should learn about it, as it is in it's infancy.

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#7.8 - Mon Dec 6, 2010 7:38 PM EST
CynicL1

They are Big, Steep and Short Period, not to mention cross seas from reflections off as many as three shores at a time makes for some real nasty stuff for sure. Apparently there are well over 600 shipwrecks in the Great Lakes due to the nature of the storms. I will need to look into catch shares and how it will affect rec anglers as well as you Big Boys.

I confess to being an environmentalist but I am a rational one, I LIKE my seafood, just as I like the wilderness. I abhore the bottom trawls you were mentioning, it is like trying to dig for clams on a mud flat with a front end loader! You guys know that there are smart ways to fish, heck it is in your best interest NOT to waste your time with bycatch that is of no commercial value. Good luck guys, looks like you are going to need it.

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#7.9 - Mon Dec 6, 2010 7:54 PM EST
bore-head007

Real fishermen are environmentalist's. They are like minded, and not the destructive monsters they have been portrayed as. I'm alarmed by the Green Machine's lack of outrage toward BP, and this administration's handling of the Gulf, as the suffer-age continues.

Trawls are an interesting subject. Precise, symetrical, technical. It is going through evolution that is amazing. The strides in controlling bi catch, are evolving also, in every fishery. I found this, and it's new. http://www.savingseafood.org/science/pioneers-for-sustainable-trawling-3.html

Catch Shares are Catch, and Trade, of the fishing industry. Designed to save, not one fish, but destroy the structure of communities, that are supported by producing a finished product, fish for the market, from a raw product, harvested from our seas. This is a unity of many, to create a tangible product, that creates real value. A rare ability to achieve, in a service economy. Thirty years ago, there was over fishing. Its non existent today.

http://bore-head007.newsvine.com/_news/2010/11/29/5546232-suit-cites-noaa-sham-in-catch-share-scheme-gloucestertimescom-gloucester-ma

This is a victims recent statement. There has been no justice for honest working people, descendants of four hundred years of the oldest industry, in the country.

http://bore-head007.newsvine.com/_news/2010/11/23/5517320-letter-a-fishermans-special-thanks-to-noaa-friends-gloucestertimescom-gloucester-ma

http://www.fishnet-usa.com/chronic_underfishing.htm

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#7.10 - Mon Dec 6, 2010 9:48 PM EST
mightyj

deepwater don- Rosie G. was a good boat but it was a 98 foot (approx.) Marco. What an incredible difference between that boat and a 110 foot Marco like Bering Star or Ocean Harvester. Those 110 footers could go through anything with the exception of that week laz hatch they were just about perfect for their size.

The Rosie G. rolled over so hard she left me hanging under the galley table looking down at the starboard side in the galley while drifting in bad weather. No good. JJ

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#7.11 - Mon Dec 6, 2010 10:03 PM EST
CynicL1

BH thanks for the links neat stuff, the first was really cool two groups nominaly at odds working together to gather REAL data on real world fishing issues, who would a thunk? Good to see.

mightyj, I suspect I would have had to have a reissue on my drawers after a roll like that my friend! Call me a whimp but I try not to go out in seas larger than the boat I am in..;-) Oddly enough I don't get sea sick in rough weather, but let it be hot still steamy and long rolling swells and oh buddy I will be spewing a chum line like crazy. Go figure..

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#7.12 - Tue Dec 7, 2010 6:53 AM EST
deepwater don

jj. Wasn't it a bad lazz seal that failed? I saw the pictures of you guys sinking. Thank God everyone came out allright. I have always been a Marco fan. Fished on the Siver Dolphin(108') and the Aleutian #1(122'). Also the Sea Venture. I would go anywhere on a Marco, but the maintenance and the human factor is still the things,as you know, that gets it back to the dock.

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#7.13 - Tue Dec 7, 2010 8:25 AM EST
mightyj

don- I got off Rosie before she went down. Peter Hvatum the owner/operator of the boat used to like to drift in rough weather. We took a rogue wave doing that and it cleaned a bunch of stuff off of the boat flipped her on her side and left me dangling in the air for what seemed like a long time. When she rolled back up water came pooring out of all of the air vents in the galley and their was salt water pooring down the TV set. It blew the life rings and a bunch of other stuff off of the back deck too.

Me and Jim Wells went outside to see if we could get some of it back aboard. When he threw the throwing hook into the wind it was blown directly back over his shoulder and way back behind him. We didn't recover anything. We used to call that boat the Rolly G.

On the Ocean Harvester the hatch seal failed on us and before I knew it the sea water had gotten into the oil spill food (left over from clean up of Exxon Valdez). Those cases of soggy ritz crackers can really jam up a pump. The water froze a foot deep in the freezer and as the engineer everybody decided it was my deal, so I had to chop out all of the food.

Years after I got off of the boat Johan Mannes had her during crab season and ended up in distress going down by the stern. They were using the aft freezer for bait storage. It flooded and the herring boxes got plugged in that same pump. Listening to him on the radio asking CG for pumps I already knew what happened. I fished with Johan on the Oceanic years later, last I heard of him he was running The Half Moon Bay (now that is a nice boat).

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#7.14 - Tue Dec 7, 2010 9:53 AM EST
deepwater don

I KNEW that was Peters' son you were talking about above. Just knew it! Stewart Fisheries tried to get me to work on the Half Moon Bay in the early joint venture days. I was making too much money fishing opilios and bringing in 200,000+ pounds every 3-4 days. Remember going to start opies on Jan. 15 and still be fishing them when I went to Togiak to gillnet herring in mid May, and then over to Dillingham and fish King and sockeye salmon until the middle of August, before a few weeks home. Those were the days. Young, dumb, and immortal.

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#7.15 - Tue Dec 7, 2010 11:30 PM EST
mightyj

You know Derek? That is hilarious! I remember Opilios into June. Fishing ghetto crab trying to finish the quota. Toward the end of the olympic fishery it was like 14 days.

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#7.16 - Wed Dec 8, 2010 4:16 AM EST
deepwater don

Ghetto crab. Almost forgot the fun of dumping pots full of those dark,worthless, little skip molters over the side. Almost made me nostalgic for the Slime Bank fishing. Ended up on the Russian doughnut hole area several times to finish up and delicering to St. Matthews Is.

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#7.17 - Wed Dec 8, 2010 8:13 AM EST
mightyj

don- I used to love that question from Kodiak crab fisherman that just came to the Bering Sea fishery. "Why do you have a car tire bolted to your crab block?" Answer, "You'll see." When you got hauling on the slime bank they would know first pot exactly why. LOL

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#7.18 - Wed Dec 8, 2010 1:59 PM EST
deepwater don

In the early 80's Kodiak guys and Dutch Harbor guys just didn't mix too well. Of course there were times when we weren't welcome in the Mecca, Tonys', and Henrys; in Kodiak either.

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#7.19 - Wed Dec 8, 2010 6:13 PM EST
mightyj

don- That is because those Kodiak guys would rob your pots of crab......if they didn't take the pot too. I know fist hand, all about it. I was always a cross-over kid. Even around the island I was fishing with the Anacortes crew. So out in Dutch I fit right in.

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#7.20 - Thu Dec 9, 2010 2:11 AM EST
bore-head007

I love these stories. This is like payback for bringing fishermen together for discussion. I only wish I could have been there.

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#7.21 - Thu Dec 9, 2010 7:51 AM EST
deepwater don

I remember a certain Kodiak boat that fished for Peter Pan in King Cove that cut through False Pass and fished in the bering Sea. Not recently, this was back in the early 80's,that had 100,000 lbs. of King Crab and never took a pot off the beach. Go figure. I thought it was unethical to even pull another boats gear to see if they were catching anything. Remember the A boats sinking in 1981? There is a good book called "Lost At Sea", by Patrick Dillon. Having known all those guys, it is a good read. Of course Larry,my skipper is cousins with Jeff Hendricks who fished with Larrys' dad back in the Paleolithic Era of crab fishing.

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#7.22 - Thu Dec 9, 2010 8:17 AM EST
deepwater don

bh...All I can say is, you should have been there. Wonder what kind of a crew we would have been in our primes. You, jj, and me, with a coiuple more like minded hard cores. I shudder to think. Maybe throw fishwarrior into the mix. The whole scenario makes me wonder....

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#7.23 - Thu Dec 9, 2010 8:21 AM EST
bore-head007

Don, that was an interesting read. I read it a while back, and could not put it down. What a tragedy.I will read it again, if the guy I loaned it to ever brings it back!

I'm sure we could put together an allstar crew from the fishing people here on the vine.

There are more coming here, and we need as many as we can get. We must lobby or newsvine community members to our cause. More damage to the industry is continuing on a daily basis, and it is more complex than what we have been saying.

You have seen the damage first hand, being from the first fishery effected by rationalization, and this is now continuing unabated, picking up speed every day. This administrations Ocean Policy is killing off the industry, and Agenda 21 is the goal. We will no longer own our oceans.

I posted an article about the next windfarm project for New England. 200 windmills off the Coast of RI. 400sq miles, of bottom gone, and the areas of the trunk cable to carry this expensive energy ashore are not included. Aquaculture is the goal, and wild fish harvesting will end.

http://bore-head007.newsvine.com/_news/2010/12/09/5616528-wind-farm-seeks-to-build-200-turbines-the-boston-globe

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#7.24 - Thu Dec 9, 2010 8:56 AM EST
deepwater don

Aquaculture/fish farming is here in Puget Sound and have effectively ruined the bays and harbors where they are. But they are also subsidized by the canneries and seafood companies. I rue the day that wind farms go offshore hear. Luckily the coastal areas are the domain and historically the fishing areas alloted to Native Tribes. The problem is some of them are selling out/making deals to have and run their own aquacultures. This does not bode well for sustainable wild native run fish here. Although here in the Skagit Valley there is a bumper run of Coho(silver) salmon in the Skagit River. I go down there all the time to watch jumpers and the Eagles and Ospreys fish for them and feast on the spawn outs on the river banks.

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#7.25 - Thu Dec 9, 2010 10:14 AM EST
bore-head007

Don. What do we have to do to keep our oceans from being the next environmental catastrophe, because of industrial development.

We can't count on Green heads. They are for the destruction!

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#7.26 - Thu Dec 9, 2010 10:19 AM EST
deepwater don

Good question! An anecdote for you. Back in the late80's someone came up with the idea to generate wind power for Unalaska. Wanted to cut down on costs of running the towns power grid by running diesel generators. At a huge cost they built a big tower and put blades on it for a wind turbine. Soon after the thing was completed and before it generated one kilowatt of power, a classic Alaska windstorm came through and blew the whole thing down. Rvenge of mother nature of sorts. I'm afraid that most people don't, or won't become involved in worrying about anything until it hits them in their wallets.Then they complain about how much things cost, how do they get it cheaper, and they dismiss the impact of those who are trying to make their livelihoods off of whatever the cause is at that time. Perfect example: crying fishermen who allowed oil wells in their fishing grounds, massive oil blowout resulted(for whatever the cause), they all thought the government was going to give them a $100,000 check and they could go home rich. All that happened is BP screwed them over, and they all went back to working for BP in the off season and we haven't heard from them since. Where is the outrage? The outrage is down at the bank when they are cashing their BP paychecks and they complain how much Social Secirity deductions are there. If you aren't part of the solution then you are a part of the problem.

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#7.27 - Thu Dec 9, 2010 10:49 AM EST
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mightyj

BH- This was a very good article. I had almost forgotten about groundswell. The rush to catch shares continues and the next part is the herring meeting with the small mesh bottom trawl gang. The SMBT got their catch shares and they are (forgive the pun) angling for some increases in allocation to their gear type via increased landing days in area 1A. The 800 pound gorilla in the room is catch shares and this groups requests for an increasing share of a shrinking quota may create the crisis needed to put catch shares on the agenda for herring. The idea of using the SMBT as a pilot program for catch shares in the herring industry is already being kicked around.

PEW never takes a day off. JJ

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Reply#8 - Sun Dec 5, 2010 11:32 PM EST
bore-head007

Hi j, you know how I feel about small meshed otter trawls. Its BULL@!$%#.

That is destructive, and wastefull. There should be no small meshed fishery, with the exception of shrimping, which is seasonal. Oh. Also including the last whiting boat, left in New England.

They said Mid Water was destructive?? SMBT is a hundred times worse.

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Reply#9 - Mon Dec 6, 2010 12:01 AM EST
mightyj

BH- It's the enviro-corporates that are pushing it. They just love f'ing up limited entry and effort controls for the purpose of advancing their agenda.

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#9.1 - Mon Dec 6, 2010 12:09 AM EST
bore-head007

What a bunch of hypocrites. To include this destructive fishery, utilizing this method, just flys in the face of environmental principles. Bottom trawling for herring is not a traditional fishery, and the same for gillnetting herring in New England. It's a multi species fishery, and ground fish bi catch is an issue in each of these methods.

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#9.2 - Mon Dec 6, 2010 7:45 AM EST
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Decurion_505

“There are four boxes one needs to have in life. First is a soapbox, second is the ballot box, and third is the jury box. Lastly, the ammo box. Likewise, the boxes should be used in that order.”

I like that.

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Reply#10 - Mon Dec 6, 2010 12:35 AM EST
mightyj

Decurion- You got it here on "Fish vine"

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#10.1 - Mon Dec 6, 2010 1:45 AM EST
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bore-head007

505, That is a sad commentary of our times.

I do agree with it. I don't like it. Would never think it in my world. I still think politics, the way I know them, is a full contact sport. Of course, the arena, has been barrooms, and coffee breaks. It used to be they would listen to us. They only listen to themselves.They should change.

Once the ammo box comes off the back of the truck, there will only be silence.

Its scary, when you realize, what desperate people could do.

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Reply#11 - Mon Dec 6, 2010 7:26 AM EST
aMiddleAmerican

BH, I know nothing about fishing other than what i see on T.V. but reading the back and forth stories between don and mightyj was some of the best reading I have done since I started on the Vine. Kudos to you deepwater and mightyj, great stories. I am sending FR to both, hope you respond, just so I can read some more stories.

  • 1 vote
Reply#12 - Thu Dec 9, 2010 10:59 AM EST
deepwater don

aMiddleAmerican...Will definitely accept. Glad you enjoy the banter. Called 'sea stories' and whenever you get two fishermen in the same place you have sea stories. Some I am saving for a book I am trying to get out of my head about the facts, myths, and crap surrounding commercial fishing in the Bering Sea. Kind of a name names,cut the crap, tell it like it is thing. Don't know if I can, but it is a thought.

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#12.1 - Thu Dec 9, 2010 11:42 AM EST
bore-head007

aMA, this is a MUST read!

http://bore-head007.newsvine.com/_news/2010/12/09/5617596-red-alert-catch-shares-cut-new-england-fleet-in-half-new-bedford-mayor-to-convene-council-meeting

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#12.2 - Thu Dec 9, 2010 11:55 AM EST
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aMiddleAmerican

BH i read the link and left a comment there.

don, be sure to let us know if you write the book. I would def. give it a read!

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Reply#13 - Thu Dec 9, 2010 12:53 PM EST
bore-head007

I'm reading a book called Alone at Sea, John N Morris.

I'm at the time period of 1929.

Living today, in the economy, the fishery, and politics, it is almost exactly as it was in Great Depression.And the Fish? A huge shortage. It's always been Boom, and Bust.

But it was never bust by the government. Till now.

Keep in mind, this Government introduced the Otter Trawl to New England, in 1903.

Keep in mind it was NMFS that introduced the industry to industrial long lining.

We need decent regulations, not bogus advice, and we need to realize who owns these fish. WE do. We ARE the stakeholders. Not a bunch of rich ENGO corporatists.

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#13.1 - Thu Dec 9, 2010 2:13 PM EST
mightyj

ama- I write stories sometimes. A lot of them are about fishing. I haven't written any lately but I will when the mood/muse hits me. JJ

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#13.2 - Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:23 AM EST
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